For Example:

1000 ads = $5.00 at 1 cent a click

member count =6000

No way that site can sale those ads that cheap  and make a profit plus pay the members……

Even if only 3000 would click that Ad, it would be at a cost of:

$30.00

A lose of $25.00 right there…..

And don’t forget, most sites offer a certain % of the referrals you have, that money has to be taking into consideration also…

So always check the advertising page to make sure right from the start the site is sustainable to begin with……

I also be very weary of those sites who sell referrals and Upgrades in order to bring Money in. Not a good business move to count on that and certainly not foolproof……

They WILL fail, eventually……………..

It is so important to know what is in those, for example:

What do I need to cash out?

Do you have to be upgraded for it to get your money?

If that is the case, I  stay away from( if I know right from the beginning) as no site should make anyone pay to get paid, simple…..

Is there a certain amount of clicks  you have to make monthly?

Are their any other hidden agenda you need to know ?

Lot’s of ‘fine print’ in those terms, just make sure you read it all before you make up your mind to join….

Please feel free to add more suggestions what to look out for in those Terms….

By: Anonymous
Monday, December 14, 2009 5:10 AM
i still want to know about belle’s question about the link to where mary was supposed to have made fun of seraph for being homeless? did seraph ever answer that?

 http://yolondab.wordpress.com/2009/07/30…

Seraph NEVER apologizes for anything, even if she straight out tells a lie and was proven wrong.

I had posted that answer earlier in this blog and will re post it:

In regards to yet another lie that Seraph made:

Seraph:
Funny, you didn’t seem to say anything to her when Mary made fun of the time when I was homeless

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 http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost…

Which btw she claimed once before here:

And admitted supposedly it happened at the BG Forum:

Seraph
Yes, it was on BGforum…someone brought it up and you laughed about it and I believe you then made a comment about snuggling up in your home with your dogs. It hurt my feelings quite badly. That was a difficult part of my life…I’m not ashamed to admit that it was a seriously dark time for me but getting made fun of was just….wow. I do thank you for your apology, though

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 http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost…

I went back and checked and did found the post from Mary that seraph claims was about bashing her:

Merlin and Seraph can pretend and use the guise of “just giving their opinion” but to anyone who has half a brain it is obvious the reason for saying what they said was to cause hurt and to be cruel. They wanted to strike out and hurt where they knew it would because of defenses being down because of my brothers death. That is totally way out of line for anyone to act. I picture those two spending all their time in front of their pc’s, bashing, attacking etc and never leaving the computer screen. lol. There is so much more in life to enjoy and be a part of. There is so much joy in simple kindness which a certain few over there need to learn as well. I have no regret in taking GDH’s earning from her and she proved that I was right in doing so by the vicious things she said after I spoke of Liams death. What a sad meaningless life the three of those have. I have no anger by that statement, its just what I truly think their lives are about.

I am going to snuggle with my dogs now and think about all the good things in life that there are and that can be enjoyed, all of which do not involve monetary gain.

Happy Sunday..well sunday night
Mary

 http://bgpaymail.com/forum/index.php?s=a…

So Belle, there is your answer to your question, there is NO post like that……

So…in plain English…Show us this post ..I’m sure the story will be “BG must have erased it” which I very much doubt as the rest of the thread is intact.
Comment by Belle Starker — November 12, 2009 @ 8:46 p11 | Reply

 http://yolondab.wordpress.com/2009/08/14…

Again Seraph plain lied, not only that, she seemed to be satisfied Mary apologizing to her for something she actually did NOT say.

She has NO proof because it never happened, simple….

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Seraph
Click Fraud common thing now?
I’ve stayed out of the GPT industry lately. Too much drama, for my tastes.

Anyways, I joined a client’s website on a whim, and noticed that there was a note on the PTC that people MUST click links, or get their account banned. I expressed my shock to him, and found out that they were actually ENCOURAGED by a PTC affiliate network to do so.

What? Since when did this kind of activity become allowable?

For those who may be a bit lost on this, here’s why it is wrong.

Advertisers…the ones who pay for your clicks…are expecting what we call “genuine leads”. Its why the Golden Rule of GPT/PTC is “Do not click the links unless you are truly interested”. They pay their money for leads…trying to find someone who will buy their product. Logically…they don’t want to pay for leads of people who could care less about their product, and just want the money.

I heard a story once about someone who filled out a quote for house rewiring. She wasn’t interested, but wanted the $5. She got a call up a couple days later from a local electrician who had received the inquiry. After she explained to him she wasn’t interested…they got to talking. Eventually he told her that he’d gotten a lot of the same responses lately, and it was hurting his business. He had been paying a company $10 for each lead, in the hopes he might find a job, so he could continue his business. And, you know, feed his family. She felt really bad about it when she heard, and even offered to pay him back what he paid. I don’t remember if he accepted or not…but there you have it.

Anyways, back on subject. Its been a big thing recently as well, that incentive-allowing networks are fast disappearing. This in turn, kills the GPT industry. The networks cannot survive without advertisers. Advertisers cannot survive if they cannot make money. If they are merely funneling their funds into what seems a black hole of fake leads….they will leave. It’s logical.

So, of course…we all knew…or I *THOUGHT* we knew…that pressuring people to click on links was a bad thing. But apparently, it is not. And shame on the networks who are encouraging…nay, instructing…the GPT sites to do so. I know one for sure…I spoke to another, who is going to be speaking with their clients, and clarifying things.

Like I said, it’s been a long time since I’ve felt like standing up and saying something. But seriously, this is nothing but a quick way to destroy everything. Forcing people to click on links, is flat out FRAUD. Just Google click fraud, and take a look at the steps legislation and the courts are taking towards stopping it.

Sorry for the wall of text…it was just entirely shocking for me to see, and to find out that it was going on. Its plain out wrong.

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Hm wonder what she called the famous chat she attended, where they shared private info and talked about others in a not so nice manner…..

Or what she called GPHW when she was found out about that she was cheating PO’s and with it trying to cheat the advertisers by dublicationg offers and such……

Or when her ‘friend’ christina aka dealbarbie, was found out to have let some of her ‘friends’ have dublicate accounts, dublicating offers etc…….

Advertisers purchase ads in hopes to get business,no doubt about that, but are well aware they may not get anything or very little at all for the money they put into it….

Same in the ‘real world’, for example, samples are handed out of a certain product in hopes the costumer will buy it and continue to do so, but we all know it does not work that way, some will buy some will simply take the sample and go on their merry way with no intention to ever purchasing…..

Those samples are the same as any other form of advertisement and yes, it cost money, but any advertiser knows well the risk they take and besides,simply because I tried something or in the case of GPT, clicked the link to see what it is all about, does NOT mean I will purchase, join or whatever may be offered……it simply means I’am checking out what is advertised..

On the other hand,an advertiser expects to get so many clicks, or so many samples being handed out or whatever the case may be, if not, I’am sure they will go somwhere else where at least they can see the click rate is higher and with it, hopefully the purchase (s)…..

And in my opinion, you didn’t feel like standing up for anything because you to embarressed others had found out about your involvement in that chat, about the sharing of private info, the insulting way others were talked about and how easiliy you lie about others to the point of defamation and never once apologize, even when proven wrong….

So now you did some work for a site and waited till you were done then talked bad about the PO?

as according to:

__________________________________________________________

gptcashcow
Sereph,
Just a question? Is this a site you was redoing a template for? I don’t think you just joined the site, I think you was working on it.

__________________________________________________________
 http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthre…

I say that is pretty shitty, you collect the money then  talk bad about him, but hey, so like you……

July 25, 2009
Site owners fear Barbie for good reason!

Time and Time again, site owners zip their mouths and stay as far away from Christina and her group of followers out of fear of what she may do to them.  Most think that it is because of them having something to hide, when in fact it has nothing to do with that.  You see, when any site owner does something that Christina and her groupies don’t like, they are aware that with one single post on a public forum, their sites are doomed.  It does not matter if they are called fraud without proof, it is just the simple fact that DealBarbie said it.  Let me take a few of Barbie and her friends chat blurbs to prove my point:

myssiann76 (12:34:12 PM): I will hunt her down like a rabit dog if I need too

dealbarbie (12:34:25 PM): lyin bizitch
dealbarbie (12:34:36 PM): pull map quest I think Im closer

ajsbadgurl143 (12:34:46 PM): shes in georgia right
dealbarbie (12:34:48 PM): & Im like twice your size I’ll sit on her
dealbarbie (12:34:57 PM): yep
myssiann76 (12:34:58 PM): lmao you are closer.. and you sit on her I will kick her inthe head a few times..
myssiann76 (12:34:59 PM): yes
dealbarbie (12:35:10 PM): gosh we are such good planners lol
myssiann76 (12:35:13 PM): kick her damn horse teeth straight
dealbarbie (12:35:15 PM): nothing like team work ha ha
myssiann76 (12:35:19 PM): lmao
greenleafelf17 (12:35:21 PM): I’m in WV – can i get her?
ajsbadgurl143 (12:35:33 PM): your only like 2 hours from her i think lol
myssiann76 (12:35:34 PM): Serpah I will pick u up on the way I would have to drive through WV
greenleafelf17 (12:35:38 PM): yeay

sparkledollars (12:35:53 PM): I’m close to Seraph so I’m just meet you at her house ROFL

greenleafelf17 (12:37:39 PM): MaxBounty wants someone to show them the stuff about her – they will fry her

myssiann76 (12:40:42 PM): i swear to good I want to sign her up for every lesbian site there is..

barbnorris7721 (12:44:46 PM): Does E have a leadgains account

dealbarbie (12:48:17 PM): no fun without her posting well god has shown me the light I am saveddddddddddd lol

myssiann76 (12:49:19 PM): they are goign to send it to their legal department to look into it..
ajsbadgurl143 (12:49:22 PM): to bad we cant get her off cpae

dealbarbie (12:55:09 PM): weeeeee I smell a leak lol

barbnorris7721 (1:05:51 PM): want me to leak it

barbnorris7721 (1:16:35 PM): is someone going to post about jen

paycage@sbcglobal.net (1:17:41 PM): don’t EVEN get me started on her WHAT a GREAT way to run a site huh? LMAO

myssiann76 (1:31:12 PM): Yeah know its like our little payback for being trashed so much

barbnorris7721 (1:17:52 PM): ok thanks angela

barbnorris7721 (1:17:55 PM): let me know when its on there

barbnorris7721 (1:18:00 PM): and will leaky away discodollarsamber (1:18:06 PM): leaky leaky

paycage(removedemail) (1:30:58 PM): CHEAP ENTERTAINMENT

myssiann76 (1:32:02 PM): there is 13 members as it stands..

dealbarbie (1:32:05 PM): LOL

myssiann76 (1:32:15 PM): Anyone care to wagger how many will be there in say ohhhh 15 minutes…

I could go on and on and on, just with this chat alone.  So the next time an owner says they stay out of the drama, this is why.  These people have fun bashing other site owners and members, laughing about it and then coming into public under their real names to blow it off as if they don’t know what the hell is going on. Outing someone in public for no reason is their names, humiliation is their game.

They even go as far as contacting owner’s affiliates to feed them this bullshit.  NEVER ONCE DO THEY OR HAVE THEY PROVIDED PROOF OF ANY OF THESE PEOPLE CHEATING.  IT HAS BEEN PURE HEARSAY THE WHOLE TIME!

I feel bad for the site owners who have had to endure this, I really do.

July 25, 2009

A new day with more questions!I really wish I was around during the WAHM days to see posts like this for myself.

Since the chat was released, I do believe it is easy to determine the circle of “friends”

Here is a screencap that was sent to me from a member of wahm when it was indeed open.  I want to point out a few things, because I am the one who feels that dealbarbie pays is the one site that did allow duplicate accounts for one member.  I’ll get into most of that later, but really would like to start with where that thought even began.  This screenshot shows an owner who was trying to get into the fraud forum and was beaten down by another owner, Sparestash.

Did this owner repeat offers and in fact should not be allowed in?  She admitted to duplicating one offer, but also admitted that other site owners were duplicating as well.  She also admitted that she was told if it was in a 6 months span, it was okay to duplicate the offer.

Sparestash said it all:

“Other site owners might have repeated offers, but YOU GOT CAUGHT!”

I may not have thought about this much, nor would it have stood out to me had Sparestash not been accused of rigging her own contest. I have to go with my gut feeling here and say that Sparestash was right.  Other owners were doing it, just had not been caught.  My cashout on her site before she closed was small compared to some, but it meant just as much to me as it would have to anyone else.  I would love to talk  to the people who really figured her out and exactly how they did it, maybe it will help me to prove that dealbarbie also allowed cheating to happen while she hid behind her throne!  Anyone who is willing to give that information to me can catch me on AIM at yolondabfl I have never had an account with AIM so forgive me if it takes a while to figure out exactly how to use it!

July 25, 2009
How does dealbarbie fit into my last post?

This is only my opinion, and I can’t prove with this next screencap that DealBarbie was doing anything wrong, or was the owner of DiveForTheTreasure, but something did catch my eye. Going back to the chat, that I still have not determined when actually took place, and looking at the last screen shot which was posted on June 18, 2007, I can’t help but wonder if they were all sharing information on bad owners and members, why this was said in a public forum yet DealBarbie herself was winning a contest for the owner SpareStash said was caught cheating.  See for yourself.  ( I have removed other members user’sname out of respect for privacy)

Without question, I was even more confused when seeing this.  If DealBarbie was running a fraud forum, and Sparestash was a member of that forum, yet called this owner out in public, why would any owner be even listed on this referral contest?

Then I go back to the previous post at what the owner was saying about  the others wanting fraud  to be sent to her..and I ask myself, Could it possibly be that they were referring bad people to other owners?  For sure they were not doing that, but then again, nothing at this point can surprise me!

July 28, 2009
My next post:

My next post is one that I really did not think I would have to make.  I received a conversation a week or so ago with a site owner who was telling someone else that Barbie and Bnorris allowed her to repeat offers.

Now, when I spoke with Bnorris about this over on GPT boycott, she claimed that this person may or may not have said this, but if she did it was out of anger.  Tonight, I have gotten a bit more information plus screencaps on this subject.

I do think Bnorris is trying, but this directly ties in with what my whole point of this blog is, and that is to prove that a group of site owners allow people to duplicate offers and allow them to have multiple accounts.

More to come on Tuesday!

July 29, 2009
Conversation with Kelsey’s Mom

I wanted to let everyone know that I have spoken with Kelsey’s Mom.  She has chosen not to talk about the days when she was an owner.  She has moved past that part of her life.  She seems like a very nice person.  She chose not to answer any questions pertaining to bnorris or dealbarbie.

I 100% respect that in her, and wish her well.  I did let her know that this blog is important to me, and hoped she understood that I would continue on, she understands.

Thank you Kelsey’s Mom for taking the time to talk to me.

And so we move forward……