GPT, the good and bad

First I like to say welcome to my blog and please feel free to comment and share your knowledge /experience with GPT sites……….

I felt that it is very important to discuss the good and the bad site of GPT so therefor I started this blog, to let others know about my experiences I had and hopefuly will help/warn some newbies and help them avoid falling into the trap of scammers and fraudsters…. I been doing GPT now for 6+ years, lost money and made some, learned the hard way many times and am now trying to do my best to avoid those bad ones by gathering all the info I can before I join any site, or forum for that matter…..

If you ever belonged/belong to any GPT site to make a little extra money you will know to that there are many scammers and fraudsters out there to get your money or better put, to keep the money you earned plus money you may have put in to it…. Many members jump right in and upgrade once the site opened because the PO makes the deal to inticing to pass it up….same with advertising, the keep the price very low,at first, run a referral contest (which many times you don’t see the prize because by then the PO ran off and closed the site) and so on…

Before joining a site, you should check out the advertising prices for sustainability, the forum if one is available , check and see if others been paid, ask around if you can and see what others experience has been with a site……. In my opinion, if a site does NOT have a forum, that alone makes me a bit suspicious and I usually skip that one all together unless I know it has been around for some years and I know of some members who belong there ….

Do I mistrust all? NO,there are many good sites and honest PO’s out there, you just have be selective of those you join and be as knowledgeable about those as much as you can….

Seraph’s Lies

By: Anonymous
Monday, December 14, 2009 5:10 AM
i still want to know about belle’s question about the link to where mary was supposed to have made fun of seraph for being homeless? did seraph ever answer that?

 http://yolondab.wordpress.com/2009/07/30…

Seraph NEVER apologizes for anything, even if she straight out tells a lie and was proven wrong.

I had posted that answer earlier in this blog and will re post it:

In regards to yet another lie that Seraph made:

Seraph:
Funny, you didn’t seem to say anything to her when Mary made fun of the time when I was homeless

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 http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost…

Which btw she claimed once before here:

And admitted supposedly it happened at the BG Forum:

Seraph
Yes, it was on BGforum…someone brought it up and you laughed about it and I believe you then made a comment about snuggling up in your home with your dogs. It hurt my feelings quite badly. That was a difficult part of my life…I’m not ashamed to admit that it was a seriously dark time for me but getting made fun of was just….wow. I do thank you for your apology, though

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 http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost…

I went back and checked and did found the post from Mary that seraph claims was about bashing her:

Merlin and Seraph can pretend and use the guise of “just giving their opinion” but to anyone who has half a brain it is obvious the reason for saying what they said was to cause hurt and to be cruel. They wanted to strike out and hurt where they knew it would because of defenses being down because of my brothers death. That is totally way out of line for anyone to act. I picture those two spending all their time in front of their pc’s, bashing, attacking etc and never leaving the computer screen. lol. There is so much more in life to enjoy and be a part of. There is so much joy in simple kindness which a certain few over there need to learn as well. I have no regret in taking GDH’s earning from her and she proved that I was right in doing so by the vicious things she said after I spoke of Liams death. What a sad meaningless life the three of those have. I have no anger by that statement, its just what I truly think their lives are about.

I am going to snuggle with my dogs now and think about all the good things in life that there are and that can be enjoyed, all of which do not involve monetary gain.

Happy Sunday..well sunday night
Mary

 http://bgpaymail.com/forum/index.php?s=a…

So Belle, there is your answer to your question, there is NO post like that……

So…in plain English…Show us this post ..I’m sure the story will be “BG must have erased it” which I very much doubt as the rest of the thread is intact.
Comment by Belle Starker — November 12, 2009 @ 8:46 p11 | Reply

 http://yolondab.wordpress.com/2009/08/14…

Again Seraph plain lied, not only that, she seemed to be satisfied Mary apologizing to her for something she actually did NOT say.

She has NO proof because it never happened, simple….

Seraph at it again…..

This is to funny:

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Seraph
Click Fraud common thing now?
I’ve stayed out of the GPT industry lately. Too much drama, for my tastes.

Anyways, I joined a client’s website on a whim, and noticed that there was a note on the PTC that people MUST click links, or get their account banned. I expressed my shock to him, and found out that they were actually ENCOURAGED by a PTC affiliate network to do so.

What? Since when did this kind of activity become allowable?

For those who may be a bit lost on this, here’s why it is wrong.

Advertisers…the ones who pay for your clicks…are expecting what we call “genuine leads”. Its why the Golden Rule of GPT/PTC is “Do not click the links unless you are truly interested”. They pay their money for leads…trying to find someone who will buy their product. Logically…they don’t want to pay for leads of people who could care less about their product, and just want the money.

I heard a story once about someone who filled out a quote for house rewiring. She wasn’t interested, but wanted the $5. She got a call up a couple days later from a local electrician who had received the inquiry. After she explained to him she wasn’t interested…they got to talking. Eventually he told her that he’d gotten a lot of the same responses lately, and it was hurting his business. He had been paying a company $10 for each lead, in the hopes he might find a job, so he could continue his business. And, you know, feed his family. She felt really bad about it when she heard, and even offered to pay him back what he paid. I don’t remember if he accepted or not…but there you have it.

Anyways, back on subject. Its been a big thing recently as well, that incentive-allowing networks are fast disappearing. This in turn, kills the GPT industry. The networks cannot survive without advertisers. Advertisers cannot survive if they cannot make money. If they are merely funneling their funds into what seems a black hole of fake leads….they will leave. It’s logical.

So, of course…we all knew…or I *THOUGHT* we knew…that pressuring people to click on links was a bad thing. But apparently, it is not. And shame on the networks who are encouraging…nay, instructing…the GPT sites to do so. I know one for sure…I spoke to another, who is going to be speaking with their clients, and clarifying things.

Like I said, it’s been a long time since I’ve felt like standing up and saying something. But seriously, this is nothing but a quick way to destroy everything. Forcing people to click on links, is flat out FRAUD. Just Google click fraud, and take a look at the steps legislation and the courts are taking towards stopping it.

Sorry for the wall of text…it was just entirely shocking for me to see, and to find out that it was going on. Its plain out wrong.

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Hm wonder what she called the famous chat she attended, where they shared private info and talked about others in a not so nice manner…..

Or what she called GPHW when she was found out about that she was cheating PO’s and with it trying to cheat the advertisers by dublicationg offers and such……

Or when her ‘friend’ christina aka dealbarbie, was found out to have let some of her ‘friends’ have dublicate accounts, dublicating offers etc…….

Advertisers purchase ads in hopes to get business,no doubt about that, but are well aware they may not get anything or very little at all for the money they put into it….

Same in the ‘real world’, for example, samples are handed out of a certain product in hopes the costumer will buy it and continue to do so, but we all know it does not work that way, some will buy some will simply take the sample and go on their merry way with no intention to ever purchasing…..

Those samples are the same as any other form of advertisement and yes, it cost money, but any advertiser knows well the risk they take and besides,simply because I tried something or in the case of GPT, clicked the link to see what it is all about, does NOT mean I will purchase, join or whatever may be offered……it simply means I’am checking out what is advertised..

On the other hand,an advertiser expects to get so many clicks, or so many samples being handed out or whatever the case may be, if not, I’am sure they will go somwhere else where at least they can see the click rate is higher and with it, hopefully the purchase (s)…..

And in my opinion, you didn’t feel like standing up for anything because you to embarressed others had found out about your involvement in that chat, about the sharing of private info, the insulting way others were talked about and how easiliy you lie about others to the point of defamation and never once apologize, even when proven wrong….

So now you did some work for a site and waited till you were done then talked bad about the PO?

as according to:

__________________________________________________________

gptcashcow
Sereph,
Just a question? Is this a site you was redoing a template for? I don’t think you just joined the site, I think you was working on it.

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 http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthre…

I say that is pretty shitty, you collect the money then  talk bad about him, but hey, so like you……

Site owners fear Barbie for good reason!

c/p from yolanda’s blog to preserve….

 http://yolondab.wordpress.com/2009/07/25…

July 25, 2009
Site owners fear Barbie for good reason!

Time and Time again, site owners zip their mouths and stay as far away from Christina and her group of followers out of fear of what she may do to them.  Most think that it is because of them having something to hide, when in fact it has nothing to do with that.  You see, when any site owner does something that Christina and her groupies don’t like, they are aware that with one single post on a public forum, their sites are doomed.  It does not matter if they are called fraud without proof, it is just the simple fact that DealBarbie said it.  Let me take a few of Barbie and her friends chat blurbs to prove my point:

myssiann76 (12:34:12 PM): I will hunt her down like a rabit dog if I need too

dealbarbie (12:34:25 PM): lyin bizitch
dealbarbie (12:34:36 PM): pull map quest I think Im closer

ajsbadgurl143 (12:34:46 PM): shes in georgia right
dealbarbie (12:34:48 PM): & Im like twice your size I’ll sit on her :)
dealbarbie (12:34:57 PM): yep
myssiann76 (12:34:58 PM): lmao you are closer.. and you sit on her I will kick her inthe head a few times..
myssiann76 (12:34:59 PM): yes
dealbarbie (12:35:10 PM): gosh we are such good planners lol
myssiann76 (12:35:13 PM): kick her damn horse teeth straight
dealbarbie (12:35:15 PM): nothing like team work ha ha
myssiann76 (12:35:19 PM): lmao
greenleafelf17 (12:35:21 PM): I’m in WV – can i get her?
ajsbadgurl143 (12:35:33 PM): your only like 2 hours from her i think lol
myssiann76 (12:35:34 PM): Serpah I will pick u up on the way I would have to drive through WV
greenleafelf17 (12:35:38 PM): yeay

sparkledollars (12:35:53 PM): I’m close to Seraph so I’m just meet you at her house ROFL

greenleafelf17 (12:37:39 PM): MaxBounty wants someone to show them the stuff about her – they will fry her

myssiann76 (12:40:42 PM): i swear to good I want to sign her up for every lesbian site there is..

barbnorris7721 (12:44:46 PM): Does E have a leadgains account

dealbarbie (12:48:17 PM): no fun without her posting well god has shown me the light I am saveddddddddddd lol


myssiann76 (12:49:19 PM): they are goign to send it to their legal department to look into it..
ajsbadgurl143 (12:49:22 PM): to bad we cant get her off cpae

dealbarbie (12:55:09 PM): weeeeee I smell a leak lol

barbnorris7721 (1:05:51 PM): want me to leak it

barbnorris7721 (1:16:35 PM): is someone going to post about jen

paycage@sbcglobal.net (1:17:41 PM): don’t EVEN get me started on her WHAT a GREAT way to run a site huh? LMAO

myssiann76 (1:31:12 PM): Yeah know its like our little payback for being trashed so much

barbnorris7721 (1:17:52 PM): ok thanks angela

barbnorris7721 (1:17:55 PM): let me know when its on there

barbnorris7721 (1:18:00 PM): and will leaky away discodollarsamber (1:18:06 PM): leaky leaky

paycage(removedemail) (1:30:58 PM): CHEAP ENTERTAINMENT :)

myssiann76 (1:32:02 PM): there is 13 members as it stands..


dealbarbie (1:32:05 PM): LOL


myssiann76 (1:32:15 PM): Anyone care to wagger how many will be there in say ohhhh 15 minutes…

I could go on and on and on, just with this chat alone.  So the next time an owner says they stay out of the drama, this is why.  These people have fun bashing other site owners and members, laughing about it and then coming into public under their real names to blow it off as if they don’t know what the hell is going on. Outing someone in public for no reason is their names, humiliation is their game.

They even go as far as contacting owner’s affiliates to feed them this bullshit.  NEVER ONCE DO THEY OR HAVE THEY PROVIDED PROOF OF ANY OF THESE PEOPLE CHEATING.  IT HAS BEEN PURE HEARSAY THE WHOLE TIME!

I feel bad for the site owners who have had to endure this, I really do.

A new day with more questions!

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 http://yolondab.wordpress.com/2009/07/25…

July 25, 2009

A new day with more questions!I really wish I was around during the WAHM days to see posts like this for myself.

Since the chat was released, I do believe it is easy to determine the circle of “friends”

Here is a screencap that was sent to me from a member of wahm when it was indeed open.  I want to point out a few things, because I am the one who feels that dealbarbie pays is the one site that did allow duplicate accounts for one member.  I’ll get into most of that later, but really would like to start with where that thought even began.  This screenshot shows an owner who was trying to get into the fraud forum and was beaten down by another owner, Sparestash.

Did this owner repeat offers and in fact should not be allowed in?  She admitted to duplicating one offer, but also admitted that other site owners were duplicating as well.  She also admitted that she was told if it was in a 6 months span, it was okay to duplicate the offer.

Sparestash said it all:

“Other site owners might have repeated offers, but YOU GOT CAUGHT!”

I may not have thought about this much, nor would it have stood out to me had Sparestash not been accused of rigging her own contest. I have to go with my gut feeling here and say that Sparestash was right.  Other owners were doing it, just had not been caught.  My cashout on her site before she closed was small compared to some, but it meant just as much to me as it would have to anyone else.  I would love to talk  to the people who really figured her out and exactly how they did it, maybe it will help me to prove that dealbarbie also allowed cheating to happen while she hid behind her throne!  Anyone who is willing to give that information to me can catch me on AIM at yolondabfl I have never had an account with AIM so forgive me if it takes a while to figure out exactly how to use it!

jrsygirl

How does dealbarbie fit into my last post?

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 http://yolondab.wordpress.com/2009/07/25…

July 25, 2009
How does dealbarbie fit into my last post?

This is only my opinion, and I can’t prove with this next screencap that DealBarbie was doing anything wrong, or was the owner of DiveForTheTreasure, but something did catch my eye. Going back to the chat, that I still have not determined when actually took place, and looking at the last screen shot which was posted on June 18, 2007, I can’t help but wonder if they were all sharing information on bad owners and members, why this was said in a public forum yet DealBarbie herself was winning a contest for the owner SpareStash said was caught cheating.  See for yourself.  ( I have removed other members user’sname out of respect for privacy)

Without question, I was even more confused when seeing this.  If DealBarbie was running a fraud forum, and Sparestash was a member of that forum, yet called this owner out in public, why would any owner be even listed on this referral contest?

Then I go back to the previous post at what the owner was saying about  the others wanting fraud  to be sent to her..and I ask myself, Could it possibly be that they were referring bad people to other owners?  For sure they were not doing that, but then again, nothing at this point can surprise me!

DiveForTheTreasure Referral Contest

My next post:

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 http://yolondab.wordpress.com/2009/07/28…

July 28, 2009
My next post:

My next post is one that I really did not think I would have to make.  I received a conversation a week or so ago with a site owner who was telling someone else that Barbie and Bnorris allowed her to repeat offers.

Now, when I spoke with Bnorris about this over on GPT boycott, she claimed that this person may or may not have said this, but if she did it was out of anger.  Tonight, I have gotten a bit more information plus screencaps on this subject.

I do think Bnorris is trying, but this directly ties in with what my whole point of this blog is, and that is to prove that a group of site owners allow people to duplicate offers and allow them to have multiple accounts.

More to come on Tuesday!

Starting from hearsay, and working forward

c/p from yolanda’s blog to preserve….

 http://yolondab.wordpress.com/2009/07/28…

July 28, 2009
Starting from hearsay, and working forward

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Most of the time when members and owners hear bad things about other members or owners, they believe it.  I am not that person.  I am one of the show me type people who would rather see it for myself, than to make a judgment first.  If I still don’t believe it after I see it, than I would prefer to go ahead and research it myself.  This is one of the reasons why I feel that I should cut Bnorris a bit of a break on this chat because at least when I asked the hard questions, she answered them, where most owners would have fumbled around the truth so they didn’t have to answer.  Yet, the only two things I have ever been told about her, I question.

1.  I was emailed the conversation between    and and old owner about how dealbarbie and bnorris allowed her to duplicate offers.  Having a current site owner send that to me is disturbing all by itself and the fact that I cannot get this kelsey girl to respond to me via AIM is even more disturbing.

The owner who sent this to me did not go into any details other than that the first part of the chat and the last part were edited because of  personal home phone numbers they were sharing with one another, which I fully understand.  But again, it is a matter of another site owner who is afraid to speak out against this group of people.   Here is the part of the chat I was sent:

KELSEYS MOM 86 (1:30:29 PM): dealbarbie and barb told me I could repeat offers when I first started the sites about 2 years ago
KELSEYS MOM 86 (1:30:34 PM): well barb repeats them to
KELSEYS MOM 86 (1:30:46 PM): and then one came back reversed and they all marked me cheater
KELSEYS MOM 86 (1:30:54 PM): after they told me I could repeat offers
KELSEYS MOM 86 (1:31:03 PM): and they gave dive a bad name
KELSEYS MOM 86 (1:31:16 PM): but barb repeats offers she told me
have either of them done offers on your site?
KELSEYS MOM 86 (1:31:29 PM): she even repeated on dive

The two things I bolded in this conversation are what I am interested in.  First, did dealbarbie and bnorris allow this girl to repeat offers, and have either of them done offers on your site?

I  can only ask the original sender of this to me to recheck that chat and see if that last question was answered.  If it was, can you please send that to me?  Too, I do not know how much further you went with this conversation with Kelseys Mom, but did she offer you a list of completed offers to compare to your own site?  If so, please email me so we can get together a time to talk on AIM!  I am also interesting in knowing the date this was sent to you.

On June 18 ,2007 this conversation was going on at Wahm forums.

jrsygirl

Because I have this screencap of this very person saying that 2 site owners told her she could repeat offers if they were 6 months apart, I can’t help but wonder if that is in fact true.  I have more reasons to believe it, but will wait a few more days to get more information in before I post that. I have tried a couple of times to talk to Kelsey’s mom via IM, this is a copy of my last time trying:

ybondkelsey conversation

If in fact Kelsey’s Mom tells me that Bnorris did not allow her to cheat, then I will remove my posts on her from here.  Plus apologize for posting it.

While I await her answer though, here is a bit more that makes me very suspicious of the truth of what has been allowed to go on for a long time with several of these owners:

When this was first brought out to Bnorris a week ago, this was her response:

barb talked to kelsey'smomI don’t know how much of this is true because Kelsey’s mom will not answer my messages, which I find very odd because a simple yes or no would suit me fine. And I don’t know how true it is that she hasn’t spoke with anyone from GPT in 18 months, due to the email I recieved with the conversation, I’ll decide that when I get an answer as to the date of the conversation.  Although I can’t find the exact post now, Bnorris did say that they were friends at one point.  And interesting enough, there is more on these two from the Wahm Forums:

bnorrisontiffFrom looking at this, I am seeing not one, not two but 3 usernames.

softcuddlybear, kelseysgramma, and d4tt.  Now, how is it that they were friends at one point, but she didn’t recognize that this person had 3 accounts?  And as if that isn’t weird, look at this post:

softcuddlybear1

Okay, so here is the thing.  You have an old site owner who has admitted to repeating offers, however she also admits that these owners tell her she can do it, this was way back in 2007!  WTH was going on then?

Bnorris claims this was her friend, and she tried to help her out.  She also claimed to have given her a second chance.  When googling for the information I found yet another bit of information that ties back to this girl:  4 months later:

royalReally, what is the truth here?  I think I would rather wait to here from Kelsey’s Mom on that one..but..

Another common factor in all of this is dealbarbie.

Now, from my understanding from another site owner who is still running to this day, is that when bnorris opened her site, dealbarbie was much help to her.  I can’t confirm that yet, but can’t help but wonder if my next post will help tie it all in together!

This is just my opinion, but right now, it is looking to me like Dealbarbie had a group of people whom she did allow to have duplicate accounts, she did allow people to repeat offers, and her closet group of friends made her a ton of money.   I think the trait was carried on by the ones who learned from her!  Funny though, tying in another strange coincidence is how Myssi of the chat was caught with proxies on RoyalGiftCards, the very same site that Bnorris was linking, with a different username than what she has on every other site?    Does it all tie together somehow?  We shall see.

Conversation with Kelsey’s Mom

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 http://yolondab.wordpress.com/2009/07/29…

July 29, 2009
Conversation with Kelsey’s Mom

I wanted to let everyone know that I have spoken with Kelsey’s Mom.  She has chosen not to talk about the days when she was an owner.  She has moved past that part of her life.  She seems like a very nice person.  She chose not to answer any questions pertaining to bnorris or dealbarbie.

I 100% respect that in her, and wish her well.  I did let her know that this blog is important to me, and hoped she understood that I would continue on, she understands.

Thank you Kelsey’s Mom for taking the time to talk to me.

And so we move forward……

Interesting Comments

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July 29, 2009
Interesting Comments

I was looking through comments just now and came across this comment:

“Poor girl? She scammed her members on both her sites….give me a break! Perhaps you should look at the real cons here?”

“That chat took place right after E had logged into M affiliate accounts and jacked them for herself. It was clearly sarcastic. I actually know for a fact shortly after almost all parted ways as I know Christina felt bad about being unprofessional but not for cheering up a friend. So once again keep harping on a convo that was clearly learned from well over 2 years ago. Do you have any other real proof?”

“You seriously need mental help. The only time one of these fake postings come out is when someone like you are burned up because they did not get paid due to fraud. I hope you have a lot more proof then what you are posting because at this point you are breaking a lot of laws and opening yourself up to a liability case. In case you don’t know what liable is, its when you post in some sort of text a slander on a person where you have absolutely no legitimate proof of what is going on.

So far you have screen shots and cut copy pastes of texts that can be altered and made up. The main person saying that they are fakes and still you feel the need to run your mouth. I doubt you will post this comment due to the fact your only posting things that support your information.

If you truly are a legit person and believe in what you post then you should have no problem posting this comment even though it disagree with your post.”

“Drew was a frauder he was under 18 & ordering alchol yeah reliable source! He had multiple sites on every site that was around under all different names that was discovered right around that time as well.
Keep your lack of raliabilty coming……”

“I also know Christina asked everyone not to say anything because it wasn’t worth it. Everyone that she gives a crap about knows better. So enjoy your parade.”

“All you have is hearsay from other proven scammers? Let me know when you have something real..yawnnnnnn”

Well I have yet to see any proof of fraud on Christina as of yet. How many people you going to ask to check for dupe accounts on? Keep trying.

BearsBro/SellingGal is Eilisha also Tiffany was in some of these convos but had asked for her information to be removed.
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http://www.4freeimagehost.com/show.php?i=4e281c5bac47.gif Right after this M told E she no longer wanted to be partners due to her shady practices.

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Those are the comments and to save everyone some time, I will post the images:

Proof?Proof?

Proof?Proofproof9proof11proof7

I told you I am not biased and I will address you and your proof in my next post.  Thank you for sharing your opinions with the readers, now I hope you can handle mine

Clarification..

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July 29, 2009
Clarification

This blog is based on my personal opinion.  Yes, I have researched and yes many people have sent information to me.  Before posting anything, I go through it to understand exactly what it is I am posting.  Am I forming opinions on this group?…NO not now I am not because my opinion was formed on this group a year ago.

I will write exactly what I want to write.  Now, for those who would rather come here and accuse me of being biased, or threaten me with bullshit suits, you are more than welcome to go to wordpress.com and make your own damn blog.  Those of you who are enjoying my posting, and those of you who don’t enjoy my posting but are not accusing me of libel and being biased, then thank you for being here and please continue commenting.

Furthermore, anyone who would like to talk hit me up on AIM at yolondabfl  or  ybondfl at yahoo.com

This blog will continue.  I am not afraid of these people and will not allow them to threaten me into removing this blog.

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